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January 30, 2014


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Who are these people who disavow retribution for anyone except bankers? It's not clear if you've got someone in mind, or if that comment was reflexive.

Surely, you don't mean to equate accountability with retribution? Because we can't really even begin to talk about retribution, and whether it is wise or fair, until there is some accountability.

This is what Chris Hayes was getting at here:

"Along with all of the other rising inequalities we've become so familiar with -- in income, in wealth, in access to politicians -- we confront now a fundamental inequality of accountability.

"We can have a just society whose guiding ethos is accountability and punishment, where both black kids dealing weed in Harlem and investment bankers peddling fraudulent securities on Wall Street are forced to pay for their crimes, or we can have a just society whose guiding ethos is forgiveness and second chances, one in which both Wall Street banks and foreclosed households are bailed out, in which both inside traders and street felons are allowed to rejoin polite society with the full privileges of citizenship intact.

"But we cannot have a just society that applies the principle of accountability to the powerless and the principle of forgiveness to the powerful. This is the America in which we currently reside."

Good point, Jonas, thanks. I have two thoughts in response:

1. Honestly, I was thinking of the "hang 'em high" sentiment I pick up so often in connection to the role of financial actors in the downturn, regardless of whether there is any evidence of criminal wrongdoing in any particular case. It's not retributivism proper, but a more base form of vengeance rooted in frustration and anger.

2. I love the Hayes passage, thanks -- right on target. And I agree accountability is prior to retributivism, since the latter assumes proper conviction. In a way, though, accountability is retributivist in the sense that it is backward-looking in directly addressing past wrongs for their own sake (and holding deterrence mainly as a beneficial side-effect). But rather than implicate those who call for accountability as being secretly retributivist, this points out that the backward-looking nature of retributivism that brings forth so much ridicule has merit that often goes unrecognized.

why do the authors (pontrell et al) publish in pay walled journals ? are they not contributing thereby to the status quo, where the wealthy rule ?

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